Of Miniguns and machinepistols...

A thread of 2 messages, 23 June 1991 to 24 June 1991, in the order they were sent.

#2442 Of Miniguns and machinepistols...

In note 2441, Metlay writes:

> ON ARCOLOGIES: Paolo Soleri was a really weird old coot (and may still be,
> I don't know if he's kicked it yet)

I think he's still alive.  If so, he'll be 72 years old next month.

> ON TECHNOLOGY: I watched a movie on TV last night, something I rarely do these
> days. It was a Schwarzenegger shootemup flick I'd missed in the theaters the
> first time around, called "Predator." ...
>
> 2. One weapon which I'd heard about but never seen in action before the film
> was the 30mm MiniGun, a gatling weapon firing huge shells at a high rate
> of fire and capable of rendering just about anything into taco filling, up
> to and including armored vehicles. The drum-loading grenade rifles were
> also quite interesting, but not as much so since they have an equivalent in
> the Traveller rules. What I want to know is, why no MiniGuns in Traveller?
> They're heavy and noisy, but really efficient compared to lasers and early
> high-energy weapons. Hmm, time for another article in the MTJ....

Hmmm, time to put on my "Ye Olde Weaponsmith" hat.  The weapon carried by
Blane (Jesse Fortuna) in "Predator" was a modified General Electric M-134
minigun, and is 5.56mm (.223 caliber), not 30mm.  As such, it does much
less damage (using the same round as an M-16).  While it can make chopped
chard out of plants and people, it is significantly ineffective against
armored vehicles (whereas a 30mm gatling gun, like a GAU-8A Avenger, is
most certainly not).  With variable fire rates from 2000 to 6000 rpm, the
M-134 doesn't stay loaded very long, once the trigger is pulled.  I read
that Blanes backpack supposedly held 1000 rounds.  Assuming a conservative
ROF, that's 30 seconds worth of ammunition.  But, boy howdy!  Talk about
rock 'n roll!!  Sure beats the hell out of Ginsu Knives (tm). :-)

>From an MT combat standpoint, the M-134 is just a 5.5mm Gatling Gun-8 (pg.
77 - MT Players Manual) but with a much higher ROF.  (The ones in the manual
are unrealistically low anyway.) Even the 30mm Avenger could be treated as
a VRF Gauss Gun, but with a smaller ammo capacity.  The Pen/Atten and
Damage are about right.  However, I'd jack the Autofire targets *way*
up to, say, 20 or 30.  Sound excessive?  Well, that's an Avenger for you. :-)

> Well, that's enough for now; the mini-machine-pistols from Total Recall aren't
> in the rules either. I guesss we need an Arnie supplement for the rules. |->

Those pistols in "Total Recall" were Calico M950 9mm semi-autos, modified
to full-auto for the movie.  The horizontal rotary clip they mount on top
of the receiver holds 50 rounds.  Needless to say, they got reloaded a
*lot* between takes.  Calico also makes a .22 caliber version that accepts
either 50 or 100 round clips.  None of them are full-auto capable however
(sigh).  Maybe, some day, I can afford that $3600.00 H&K MP-5.  Gotta win
the state lottery! :-)

BTW, Firefight 1.0, the personal combat rules for TDR, easily accomodate
both of these weapons.  Iain Fogg and I had intended to redraft the rules
to correct some of the first round omissions, as well as streamline it
a bit.  I haven't heard from Iain since the beginning of the year, but
I expect he's been as busy as I have.  Maybe we can get something going
again this fall, when the TML revs back into slightly higher gear.

Later,
	- Mark C.

#2447 Re: (2442) Of Miniguns and machinepistols...

In your letter dated Sat, 22 Jun 91 21:39:17 PDT, you wrote:
>
> Date: Sat, 22 Jun 91 21:39:17 PDT
> From: Mark F. Cook [email removed]
> Subject: (2442) Of Miniguns and machinepistols...
>
> From an MT combat standpoint, the M-134 is just a 5.5mm Gatling Gun-8 (pg.
> 77 - MT Players Manual) but with a much higher ROF.  (The ones in the manual
> are unrealistically low anyway.) Even the 30mm Avenger could be treated as
> a VRF Gauss Gun, but with a smaller ammo capacity.  The Pen/Atten and
> Damage are about right.  However, I'd jack the Autofire targets *way*
> up to, say, 20 or 30.  Sound excessive?  Well, that's an Avenger for you. :-)

I have noticed the problem of low ROF for machine guns, too (and a corres-
ponding problem of _high_ ROF for small autocannons at low TLs), but have
been sliding by assuming that the multiple barrel MGs and the VRF Gauss
Gun are all in the "1280, 7 targets" category.  I have this horrid suspicion
that that is supposed to mean 1280 rpm, which is still low.  You'd want to
fire in fairly short bursts most of the time anyway.  Of course, you still
can't manpack the thing in Traveller because the weights for those weapons
are nowhere to be found (short of the semi-legendary Striker miniatures rules)
...


> Later,
> 	- Mark C.

Rob Dean