More Planetary Defences

A thread of 3 messages, 13 July 1991 to 18 July 1991, in the order they were sent.

#2599 More Planetary Defences

	Going by my previous example, the price of a installation for a
deep meson weapon probably approaches that of the weapon itself.
	Given that assumption, it's likely that putting in a lot of mid-sized
(bay) meson sites is a great advantage to the defence...
	IF they have secure and reliable communications.

	Think on this one, a bit... rather than a 'national guard', give
everyone on the planet a combo pack of the following:
	Laser Rangefinder/direction finder (PRIS Binocs do fine)
	Inertial Locator
	x range masercom (determined by other constraints)

	How is this useful?  Well... Mr. Ikaron is sitting on the porch of his
farmhouse when a company of TL14 Zhodani grav tanks flies overhead.  Mr. Ikaron
has the standard Imperial reaction to psionics, and goes into the house to
check out the news reports and get his 'Designator'.  When he hears static on
the radio AND his cable holovid, he knows something is up.
	Walking outside, he points the masercom at a nearby hill he's been told
has a relay station on it.  Initializing his setup, he then points the
Designator at the nearest tank and pushes the designate button.
	Within about a hundredth of a second, the 3-d position and speed of
the tank has been transmitted out to the relay site, and in another hundredth
of a second reaches the local deep defense coordination center.  It takes
another hundredth of a second for the computer to process the information,
give it a relatively high priority (being an opportunity target, with no
defences, it a pretty good target).  Less than five-hundredths of a second
after Mr. Ikaron pushed the button, one of 100 hundred-ton sized deep meson
sites has been pre-empted from assault-transport bashing and retargeted
for the time being on a tank.  It takes all of about a tenth of a second to
retarget and fire.
	Less than a fifth of a second after the button was pushed, the Zho
tank commander sees the 'laser designation' warning light flash on his control
panel, but before he has time to react his tank explodes, only about 10 meters
from the center of a 50 meter radius meson detonation.  There has been no time
to dodge, not even enough time to slew a point-defence weapon to bear on Mr.
Ikarion, who survives.  Scratch nearly 15 megacredits of tank.

	And the best part is that that collection of equipment needs not cost
more than about Cr 15,000 .  At TL 15, with standard defense budgets, it
wouldn't take that long to have one in every house...

	Traveller large-scale warfare is simply horrifying.  There are soooo
many ways to kill something...

- - -george william herbert
[email removed]

#2605 Re: More planetary defences

George William Herbert [email removed] writes:
> 	Think on this one, a bit... rather than a 'national guard', give
> everyone on the planet a combo pack of the following:
> 	Laser Rangefinder/direction finder (PRIS Binocs do fine)
> 	Inertial Locator
> 	x range masercom (determined by other constraints)

Now imagine trying to do that in real life.  Can you imagine what would happen
if President Bush tried to pass a law that every house be fitted with a
military installation?  Even something relatively harmless like the above?  If
a war was in progress, or looked like being imminent, he might get away with
an emergency programme, assuming that the required number of devices could be
provided, distributed and installed at short notice.  Otherwise there would
be the mother of all peace protests!

As for doing it in Traveller - on a non-democratic world perhaps, or maybe by
Imperial decree.

- - --
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#2627 Re: more planetary defences

(Warning: I tend to use traveller as an idea source for other games,
so don't end up actually playing or running trav that much, but ...)

>>   On another hand - a planetary assault may take place WITH THE CONSENT
>> of the defender - if an attacker finds himself faced with an apparently
>> impenetrable defence belt, he may just give up the idea of an assault
>> and accelerate a few medium sized asteroids at the target planet. Thus a
>> situation similar to a battle of Maldon may arise - the defender
>> granting battlespace to the attacker.

>The whole assumption in this discussion is that for some reason, the attacker
>can not/does not want to destroy the defender totally in this manner.  (Why
>was such a tactic never used during any of the Frontier Wars, by the way?)
>Otherwise, if the attacker finds himself faced with an unbeatable defence
>at any stage, he can just give up, take off and nuke the planet from orbit.

>> ...

>Fine art?  Either the attacker wins, or the defender wins.  If the defender
>wins, the attacker brings up the asteroid.  End of defender's story.


  Wars have been fought for many reasons, but history often tends to
show that the underlying causes of the conflicts are often economic.
The other reason can probably be summed up as "ethical" reaons.
A better way to examine most warfare in the imperium might be to
consider it as economic warfare.
  By this I mean that a war is fought to gain the economic
capabilities of the target system/planet; such capabilities as
manufacturing complexes, mining sites, more advantageous jump-route
position, a better starport etc.  At this level, the war might be
considered more of a "extremely hostile" corporate takeover, rather
than a war over (say) ideological differences.  Massive
planet-bombardment assaults wouldn't work too well, as they would
destroy what the attackers set out to acquire, or turn the people who
know how to run the equipment against the attackers.
  IMHO, this type of warfare precludes the "take off and nuke the
planet from orbit" solution because it will not be be advantageous to
do so.  Trade embargos and other loss of revenue to the attacking
planet/system might be the result of such action, as nearby systems
are apalled by the attacker's action.  Even non-ecomomic (aka
"ethical") military action might be taken against this system
in an effort to prevent such an occurence from happening again.  Even
this action can be considered economic to an extent -- other systems
don't want to be nuked.

  I'm not so sure as to what form an actual "economic" war would take,
but I rather think it would be preceded by vast intelligence and
sabotage operations against the target system's military and ruling
organizations, followed by a strike to remove remaining defense
installations.  This would be followed by troops and intra-atmosphere
craft to mop up remaining forces and to hold the ground.  Resistance
by the populace would tend to be determined by the differences between
the two cultures -- if the attackers operate their systems as giant
slave-chains, I would forsee massive resistance and guerilla activities
taking place.  (Hmm, I wonder if this means that the type of
war (economic/ethical) to be fought depends upon the difference in
goverment between the two groups -- the wider the difference, the more
harsh the war will be???)

This has gone a bit behind my original economic/ethical warfare debate,
and I'm starting to get into a gray area, so I'll stop here and
see what people think about this.

bolo
Joe Burger      University of Wisconsin-Madison     Computer Systems Lab
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