Reply to Psi

A thread of 2 messages, 22 August 1992 to 24 August 1992, in the order they were sent.

#4569 Reply to Psi

Just for the sake of arguments: :)

>From Michael Glew, Tue Aug 18

>Metempsychosis as you call it, would be covered by Projection.  Projection
>is the out-of-body excursions the mind can perform as psychic phenomenon.
>It is possible for the projectionist to at the point of death, should (s)he
>be powerful enough, to break the "silver-cord" that attaches the mind to
>the body, and go in search of a new host body.  This body need not be
>vacant, as (s)he could quite easily overcome or kill a sap (aka. non-psi).

Mm... I'm not too sure about this OOBE, "silver-cord" stuff. :)   Everything
I've learned about the mind and brain up to now tells me that a great deal
of the "mind" is a secondary effect of a brain's structure; no structure, no
mind.  (Sure this is psionics, imaginary stuff, so we can make it what we
like :)
In my opinion it means that Clairvoyance/audience/othersense is not a
projection of the mind but instead a projection of the mind's eye to the
place to "sense" or the other way around.  Metempsychosis would be the only
"total" projection of the mind there is and it would be projected into
another structure.  The mind would survive if the other structure is similar
and adequate enough.

>humanoid inhabits a creature with a smaller brain volume, then the mind
>will adjust to fit.  So if you want to inhabit a mouse, then expect to
>possibly become a sap, and definately lose 80% of your intelligence and

That sounds good. :)  But I think that a difference of up to 20% less brain
volume shouldn't matter too much, as all homo sapiens don't have quite the
same brain volume but it doesn't prevent some "smaller-brained" to be
geniuses (might be caused by the smaller transmission time inside the brain)
 ...
Also there's the "theory" that we don't use all of our brain capacity,
so in theory a smaller brain would be able to perform just as well as a
redundant, bigger one...
Except that there might be some secondary effects (likelier to develop
delusions, less memory, less concentration, less capable to hold onto many
different frames at the same time...)

>new body, when you arrive.  For full rules on this, wait until the rules
>come out, either from GDW or as Public Domain material should they be
>stupid and not publish it.

I will. :)

I don't see why GDW would be really interested in an elaborate Psi system
since Psis tend to be hush-hush, pushed out of the way stuff in most
Traveller races and too much Psis can make the game less military/hard-sf
oriented.  Also there's enough complexity and possibilities as-is. :)
Good luck to him (or her) though. ":)  The rules sound like they've been
well thought-out.

   // Pierre-Louis Constantin  -- -- -- -- [email removed]
\\//  "When they ship styrofoam, what do they pack it in?"

#4571 Re: Reply to Psi

On Saturday, 22nd August 1992, Pierre-Louis Constantin said:

> Mm... I'm not too sure about this OOBE, "silver-cord" stuff. :)   Everything
> I've learned about the mind and brain up to now tells me that a great deal
> of the "mind" is a secondary effect of a brain's structure; no structure, no
> mind.  (Sure this is psionics, imaginary stuff, so we can make it what we
> like :)
> In my opinion it means that Clairvoyance/audience/othersense is not a
> projection of the mind but instead a projection of the mind's eye to the
> place to "sense" or the other way around.  Metempsychosis would be the only
> "total" projection of the mind there is and it would be projected into
> another structure.  The mind would survive if the other structure is similar
> and adequate enough.

There are many possibilities...

> >humanoid inhabits a creature with a smaller brain volume, then the mind
> >will adjust to fit.  So if you want to inhabit a mouse, then expect to
> >possibly become a sap, and definately lose 80% of your intelligence and
>
> That sounds good. :)  But I think that a difference of up to 20% less brain
> volume shouldn't matter too much, as all homo sapiens don't have quite the
> same brain volume but it doesn't prevent some "smaller-brained" to be
> geniuses (might be caused by the smaller transmission time inside the brain)
>  ...
> Also there's the "theory" that we don't use all of our brain capacity,
> so in theory a smaller brain would be able to perform just as well as a
> redundant, bigger one...
> Except that there might be some secondary effects (likelier to devellop
> delusions, less memory, less concentration, less capable to hold onto many
> different frames at the same time...)

A being's mind originated in the being's brain, so any change in size is
relative to the original brain size.  Also, any change is permanent, so
if a character inhabits a mouse, and then inhabits a larger creature
(if it is at all possible), then the stats will not revert to normal.
They will stay that of the mouse...

It is possible for a midget human to be very intelligent, but have a smaller
brain, so the trasition to a mouse would have slightly less of an effect.

Consider the mind as the personality, then the brain might be the machinery
that enables the mind to work.  Some minds (very few) are able to function
without the machinery, but these minds would be very powerful.  Should this
mind be confined to an alien, smaller brain, then functionality would be
sacrificed.  Active psionic beings use nearly all their brain, where as
us saps use merely half (or less).  Perhaps some animals would be mentally
psionically inoperable.  Hence a being who inhabits such a brain may lose
nearly all their powers, regardless of relative brain sizes.

Along with the loss of mental/psionic abilities, would be the possibility
of mind damage.  Lost memory, senses, etc.  But there is also a slight
chance of gaining abilities in the new host, that were not available to
the original host eg. various optical modes.  But this would take time
to get used to.  If a host creature naturally sees in IR, then the
invading projectionist would be mostly blinded until (s)he learned to
decipher the optical patterns.

Regards,

	Mike.
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