Dem files, dem files, dem GEnie files

A thread of 4 messages, 13 February 1990 to 14 February 1990, in the order they were sent.

#995 Dem files, dem files, dem GEnie files

This message consists of three parts, all related to the GEnie situation.
First is a reply to Greg on the file format, second is a discussion about using
TML as an offical distribution point, and third an excerpt of the GEnie
contract.

*** 1 ***
>Well I tried downloading some stuff on FFW over the weekend and it was
>listed as being a binary file. Now I can't seem to figure out how to
>"un-binary" it. I will try some more stuff this week.

Greg,
  The files show signs that they use Apple's at GDW.  It was rumored to me a
while back (some of the basic programs from JTAS) that they did, this about
confirms it.  GEnie accepts two types of uploads.  The first is an ASCII 7 BIT
capture upload, the second is a 8 BIT protocol upload.  Any file, regardless of
content, uploaded with X[YZ]modem will be labled a binary file.  Next time you
are on just <L>ook at one of the files, you will see it is a readable file.

The problems that I have encountered is that when I use a protocol to download
and I have the host name file files two things happen, the GEnie file:

  TROJAN REACHES

comes out on my PC as:

  TROJAN R.EAC

(Try dealing with spaces in a file name!!!! on a PC)  Any way, the filename
indicates that they are using Apple ]['s or some other OS that allows spaces in
the filename, such as Macintosh.  Also, the files when downloaded with protocol
are CR delimited instead of CRLF or LF or what ever.  What this means, is a 6
line C program to add the LF's to the file to make Misery-DOS happy (and
conversly a clean upload to Unix).

*** 2 ***

In one of the TML messages that came through today (Sorry, but I deleted it
after reading it though I should have saved it for this reply) suggested
contacting GDW/DPG/HIWG to get them to use us as an outlet.  This has merit but
there are also some problems.  First, GDW is Bloomington IL.  I don't know
where this is, but I would guess that they are long distance to a Usenet site.
Also if they do use Apples, then getting UUCP software for them may be
difficult.  However if GEnie has a node near them, then they may be able to
Starlink or PC Pursit to somewhere.

Some of the benifits to them are:
  1) Dedicated Players/Play testers
  2) Limited yet unlimited distribution (Limited because there aren't thousands
     of us, but unlimited because any one can sign up and the distribution is
     wide)
  3) Ease of communications to out of town people.

Now we need a liason to go between GDW and TML.  We also will need some facts
about us, a marketer per se.  We need a spokesman who knows this list well and
can sell them on us.  Still if we get them, we need to have a distrubution plan
other than just mailing to everone on the list.  I recommend setting up a mail
file server (since not every one can dialup UUCP or FTP) where files and
indeices can be requested.  Volunteers?

*** 3 ***

The following is a portion of the GEnie User Agreement:


                   GEnie Services Terms and Conditions

1.GEnie Services Provided

  General Electric Company, acting through its GE Information Services
  division (the "Company"), agrees to provide you access in the United
  States to the computer services designated by Company as comprising the
  GEnie Service subject to the Terms and Conditions contained in this
  Agreement.  You agree to provide all telephone and other equipment
  necessary to gain access to the GEnie Service.

2.Access to the GEnie Service

  You are responsible for the confidentiality and the use of your User ID
  and Password, for all charges to your account, and for any violation of
  this Agreement by anyone using your account. You must immediately notify
  the Company if your User ID or Password is lost or stolen, or if you have
  reason to believe that someone has obtained unauthorized access to them.
  The Company provides other computer services to subscribers to its
  MARK III Service using the same resources and equipment as it utilizes
  in providing access to the GEnie Service.  You acknowledge that access
  may be terminated by Company in preference to the availability of
  uninterrupted, efficient and high quality computer services to MARK III
  Service clients.

3.Proprietary Rights

  All of the information, material and software available for access
  through the GEnie Service is the property of the Company or of its
  information providers.  You agree not to copy, publish, commercially
  exploit, sell, transmit or otherwise reproduce that information,
  material or software, except as may be expressly permitted by the Company
  or the information provider at the time access is made available to you,
  and then only on condition that you reproduce and include therein any
  copyright notice or other proprietary legend contained in the information,
  material or software at the time of access.  You acknowledge that any
  violation of this restriction is an infringement of copyright or other
  proprietary rights.

[4 thru 6 deleted]

7.General

  a. This Agreement will be governed by the laws of the State of Maryland.
     Any cause of action based on or arising as a result of this Agree-
     ment must be instituted within one year after the cause of action has
     first accrued or such suit shall be barred.
  b. The Company reserves the right to monitor access to the GEnie Service
     by its subscribers and to remove, at its sole discretion, without
     notice, any information, material or software which it believes to be
     unlawful or objectionable.
  c. The access to the GEnie Service permitted to you under this Agreement
     is not transferrable and is subject to any credit limits which may be
     established for your credit card or by the Company.
  d. This Agreement (including the GEnie Service Price Schedule and any
     mutually accepted Supplements) constitutes the complete and exclusive
     agreement with you regarding the GEnie Service and supersedes all
     prior communications, representations or understandings.



So you with the ability to read this (sorry, I do computereeeezzzzzzz, not
legaleeeezzzzzee) may be able to make heads or tails out of it.  But it seems
to be rather "well written".

Rob
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#1002 Re: Dem files, dem files, dem GEnie files

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*| *** 1 ***
*| >Well I tried downloading some stuff on FFW over the weekend and it was
*| >listed as being a binary file. Now I can't seem to figure out how to
*| >"un-binary" it. I will try some more stuff this week.
*|
*| Greg,
*|   The files show signs that they use Apple's at GDW.  It was rumored to me a
*| while back (some of the basic programs from JTAS) that they did, this about
*| confirms it.  GEnie accepts two types of uploads.  The first is an ASCII 7 BIT


Actually they use Mac's.   I had a telephone conversation with Marc Miller some
years ago at GDW when I was discussing with him the possibility of writing some
stuff for the Commodore 64 computer (which was my programming "axe" in those
days) and he said that GDW was only interested in stuff for the Macintosh.




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#1004 Re: Dem files, dem files, dem GEnie files

GDW in Bloomington might be all of three miles away from a usenet
site.  Possibly four.  If they're running macs, UUPC is easily
available.  I doubt that they are still running apple ][s.


On a related note, I think the idea of convincing Genie to love
us is, at best, amusing - we can show GDW an enthusiastic bunch
of customers.  We can show Genie a copyright nightmare.  Which
do YOU think is more likely to be friendly?

RichardT

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#1008 Re: Dem files, dem files, dem GEnie files

> *| *** 1 ***
> *| >Well I tried downloading some stuff on FFW over the weekend and it was
> *| >listed as being a binary file. Now I can't seem to figure out how to
> *| >"un-binary" it. I will try some more stuff this week.
> *|
> *| Greg,
> *|   The files show signs that they use Apple's at GDW.  It was rumored to me a
> *| while back (some of the basic programs from JTAS) that they did, this about
> *| confirms it.  GEnie accepts two types of uploads.  The first is an ASCII 7 BIT
>
>
> Actually they use Mac's.   I had a telephone conversation with Marc Miller some
> years ago at GDW when I was discussing with him the possibility of writing some
> stuff for the Commodore 64 computer (which was my programming "axe" in those
> days) and he said that GDW was only interested in stuff for the Macintosh.

I've got access to a macintosh and the standard macintosh compression programs
and chalmers has a direct net-mac link. I am willing to offer my help.
(If the files mentions "binhex4.0" or "stuffit" or "packit" they are definately
packed on a mackintosh)

- -bertil-
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