Re: The TURN (Nick Sylvain's "hole in the bag")

By Nicholas Sylvain ·

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In reply to #3066 The TURN (Nick Sylvain's "hole in the bag") by Sean Owens
(Frankly, I am dubious about the value of this conversation on the TML, and
after this reply I think the TML can be spared further noise.)

>Excellent work on the Turn report.  Seeing it all in one place
>(er, well, SIX places :-) certainly brought a semblance of order to the
>whole process.

I agree, considering the total chaos in terms of time sync-ing that had been
created. Good work Richard! (applause)

>I think I've spotted what Nick Sylvain (aka the Aslan
>CO) thinks is the weak point in Ralf's actions:
>
>I suspect Nick means to use this to discover that the ships were
>phantoms.  However, I question the accuracy of this...
>
>(...)
>
>In other words, no, I did not specifically say "I'm faking out
>the sensors of both ships", but that was because I was regarding them
>as a whole, not as individual entities, acting under the implied
>statement that my actions were directed at both ships.

I have a few responses, let me cover them in no particular order.

It seems to me that we are having the same conversations over and over
again, generally speaking. A lot of this got rehashed during the PLAYER vs.
CHARACTER thing. My reaction is that it is your fault for not specifying
that both were being spoofed -- if you are operating under a critical
assumption, it is important for you to SAY so, lest someone seize upon the
omission. For example, if I assume that the Aslan on the surface are being
cautious and scanning constantly for others but don't say so, I cannot be
heard to complain about the phin surveillance. (Just off the top of my head.)

Further, I (could) complain myself, but I accept the turn. If I were to be
contentious, I would argue that Akhouw's reaction was based SOLELY on the
brief and cryptic mail message Richard sent me -- having seen that the spoof
actually contained much more substance, I am convinced (and have argued to
Richard) that he wouldn't have done so.

Further, I think that this is Richard's way of resolving the situation on
a quick basis -- I had originally sent him a message which went into detail
about my objections to the situation, which covered more than the point you
correctly note was one of my objections. The way Richard has done it, I
think, speeds up the process by which the result "It is a spoof" is found.

nps