71:17/7231 Various

By Jeff Zeitlin ·

TML message #7250From bundle 578

Subject: 71:17/7231 Various

TML::>>  survive without the "backwaters" of western Wisconsin, or upstate
   ::>>  New York, where there are a lot of dairy farms, or the
   ::>>  "backwaters" of central Nebraska and South Dakota, where a lot of
   ::>>  wheat is grown?

TML::>Hmmm, an interesting image: `rural ghetto' that doesn't sound all that
   ::>bad now.  I guess I'm confused.  What exactly, then, is the problem with
   ::>being `ghettoized'?

   Actually, ghettoization is probably the wrong word.  What I'm
   thinking of is the planet that becomes a "banana republic" - its
   only source of foreign (interstellar) exchange becomes raw
   materials that high-tech cultures need but will not pay high
   prices for.  Consider the state of things in countries like
   Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Mexico, Malaysia, and so on.  I'd say
   that there are probably better words than ghettoization, but I
   can't think of them.

TML::>>  No, I'm not saying that worlds without a tech affinity are the
   ::>>  ones that are going to be ghettoized.  I'm saying that the ones
   ::>>  that are "forced" to focus their production to service the needs
   ::>>  of the planets that (re)acquire tech early are the ones that are
   ::>>  going to be ghettoized.

TML::>Okay, so `ghettoized' means something akin to `exploited'?

   More than just exploited.  Japan was exploited after WWII, but
   it was able to pull itself together.  But South Asia and the
   Indo-Pacific island nations, and to a lesser extent, the
   Carribean and Central and South America are both exploited and
   ghettoized.  Some countries are making an effort to pull
   themselves out of it - Argentina is a notable example.  But most
   of those countries have no present hope of escaping or solving
   their problems, many of which are connected with high population
   density, low wages, and single-product economies.

TML::>Steven Gott [email removed] writes:

TML::>> Subject: The Jumpstart Caches
   ::>> Now Norris was told all of
   ::>> their location

TML::>How do `we' know this?  Someone mentioned *Arrival Vengeance* but I looke
   ::>and I can't find it there.  Does it appear in *AV* errata?

   OK, I finally have it straight, once and for all.  It's NOT in
   AV.  It's NOT in TNE itself.  It _IS_ in Survival Margin.

   On P30, Strephon effectively makes his decision to abdicate by
   choosing not to cooperate with IRIS.  That this is his attitude,
   rather than it being beneath his dignity, is confirmed by the
   statement that IRIS will "get me out of this" and by (P31) his
   apparent happiness at his claim being disallowed.  So we know
   that Strephon has abdicated.  He effectively turns the job over
   to Norris on P51, where he sends Avery "with them" [the AV],
   and P52, where we see the text of the message that was in the
   holocrystal given to the diplomatic team from the AV.  In that
   message, Strephon confirms Norris's assumption of the title of
   Archduke, gives him Jumpstart, and warns him about Longbow.  He
   also makes it clear that Norris is the only one left to carry on
   the traditions of the Imperium.  Recall also the Domain's last
   words to the interstellar communications network: "We keep the
   flame".  Though veiled, this can be taken as a reference that
   they _know_ that they have the only rightful claim to the mantle
   of the 3I.  That they take on the name "Regency" after that
   indicates that Norris is taking his position as "emperor" not as
   his own position, but as a trust, for when a true Emperor shall
   resume the Iridium Throne.  Recall, however, that after a much
   shorter period, a previous regent (during the Civil War (in the
   600s)) took the thrown as Regent, rather than Emperor, until she
   was asked, by the Moot, to take the title as well as the
   authority.  It is not unreasonable to assume that the same will
   happen with Norris or his successor, or possibly Avery or one of
   his descendants.  The question is _when_ this will happen - in
   other words, at what point does it become appropriate for the
   Regency to "admit" that it is in fact the Imperium?  See my
   comments later in this article...

   Sorry about all the confusion...

TML::>[email removed] (Jeff Zeitlin) writes:

TML::>> T::>My sense is that public opinion in the Regency will be whatever the
   ::>>  ::>leadership wishes it to be.  Norris is (was?) nothing if not an
   ::>excellent
   ::>>  ::>`molder' of public opinion.
   ::>>
   ::>>  True, but there are limits to that kind of ability.  If you've
   ::>>  seen a planet get sacked by a homicidal Virus-infected starship,
   ::>>  you're _not_ going to be easily convinced that Virus isn't a
   ::>>  threat any more...

TML::>Absolutely true (not the `limits' part though).  The fact that the `Rape
   ::>Trin' became wide-spread pubic knowledge [FACT ALERT: I don't have TNE] m
   ::>mean that it served Norris's purposes somehow.

   Not necessarily.  News that is not in the Government's best
   interests _will_ get out somehow.  And it will spread by the
   fastest available route.  Remember a break-in at a major
   Washington, DC, hotel, around about 1974?

TML::>>  The threat that I was thinking of in my previous posts, that
   ::>>  required guarding the Vargr border was in fact the threat of
   ::>>  Virus.

TML::>This is a good point, as I mentioned in an earlier posting, but . . .

TML::>>  This would also have the effect of slowing down the evolution
   ::>>  and/or extinction of Virus in the Extents, making infection from
   ::>>  the Extents a very real threat, even at this late date.

TML::>I'm not sure I understand this point.  Are you saying that by taking
   ::>`longer' to reach the Regency through the Extents the Virus would somehow
   ::>be more powerful?  How so?  Wouldn't Regency agents have a *better*
   ::>opportunity to observe the Virus which would permit the Regency to better
   ::>develop counter measures?

   No, not really more powerful.  The primary evolution of Virus
   was toward a non-suicidal, and non-homicidal form - because it
   is more conducive to spreading Virus, i.e., survival.  This
   evolution was facilitated by the ability of many substrains and
   strains to interact with each other.  But this kind of
   interaction is slowed down when you have a situation in which
   the spread of Virus is slowed down.  Thus, strains of Virus
   approaching the protected states through the Vargr Extents will
   tend to be earlier strains, and therefore more dangerous ones.

   The total quarantine imposed by the Regency and the Zhodani (and
   the other surviving Spinward States) would tend to cut down on
   opportunity to observe.  And a Virus that can bridge the
   gap between Software and Hardware (as Virus can) is _not_
   something that you will easily be able to develop
   countermeasures to.  Nor is it something that you want to bring
   into a well-equipped research lab in the heart of your territory
   (such facilities need support that is unlikely to be available
   at the frontier), when the amount of damage that can occur in a
   release accident is so high.  The Rape of Trin (I still somehow
   think it was Gram, but...)is graphic evidence of what can go
   wrong.  You don't mess with that kind of thing.  Consider:
   Union Carbide has just announced plans to build a chemical plant
   in your home town.  It will be the same kind of thing that the
   plant in Bhopal, India, was doing.  Are you really going to feel
   comfortable about having that plant there?

TML::>>  We who have Arrival Vengeance know that
   ::>>  (b) he effectively abdicated in Norris's favor by
   ::>>  entrusting Norris with the complete Jumpstart and Longbow files,

TML::>There it is again!  *Please* tell me where in *AV* Jumpstart and Longbow
   ::>are mentioned.  Just the page numbers will suffice.

   See above.  It's SM, not AV, and not TNE.  Sorry for the
   confusion.

TML::>>  Given that Norris _does_ have a great
   ::>>  deal of ability in molding opinion, and that he (and his
   ::>>  successors) have enjoyed the support of an overwhelming majority
   ::>>  of the people of the Regency, even a documented successor to Lucan
   ::>>  or Margaret is unlikely to gain sympathy in the Regency

TML::>Wait.  Roll back the clock 85 years.  Substitute Strephon for Norris and
   ::>Imperium for Regency.  What do you get?  Rebellion.  Hard Times.  The
   ::>Viral Collapse.  And yes, da**it, The New Era.  :-)

   It's certainly possible...

TML::>>  as they
   ::>>  represent the part of the old order that "abandoned" the area
   ::>>  "behind the claw." I would say that the "legitimacy" of the
   ::>>  Regency is secure

TML::>Doesn't the very name `Regency' suggest a deep felt respect for that `old
   ::>order'?  All the legitimacy of a `regency' is derived from that for which
   ::>the `regent' is stewarding authority.  To me it is absurd that the *peopl
   ::>of the Regency would forget what they've been `waiting' for all these yea

   I refer you to the outcome of the Civil War of the 600s.
   History _does_ tend to repeat itself.  Also, Norris never threw
   his support to any faction - he was loyal to the concept  and
   ideal of the Imperium itself.  Can _anyone_ descended from
   _any_ factional leader, no matter how "good" his/her lineage,
   and how pure his/her motives, establish a _morally_ justifiable
   claim to the Iridium Throne?  I suspect that when/if this
   situation arises, and push comes to shove, that the people of
   the Regency will stand behind the Regent, rather than the
   Pretender.  At that time, when the _people_ realize that the
   Regent is in fact the Emperor, the Regent will "reluctantly
   accept the summons to the Iridium Throne."
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Jeff Zeitlin                                      [email removed]
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