In Archive-Message-Number 7563, [email removed] (Roger Sanger) writes:
> The Pros:
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> You might placate some of the people who ditched due to TNE, and some of
> them might come back to participate.
Right, except that 'some' and 'some' should read 'a lot' and 'a lot'.
> The Cons:
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> More administrative work for James -- keeping two lists, etc.
Since James suggested this to us in the first place, that's probably
not an issue for him, or (if it is), he believes the ROI is worth it.
> Possible reduction of the critical mass that has been achieved on TML.
Unlikely, since those that enjoy TNE will either remain with the original
group, or join both groups and post as is appropriate.
> Creates a little more hassle for those who like partaking in discussions
> and swapping in all eras.
Join both groups. If the hassle is too much, maybe your enthusiasm isn't
enough.
> You can already discuss anything relating to Traveller on the TML, from any
> era --
True, but many of us feel that mixing TNE with earlier traveller is like
mixing _Ren_&_Stimpy_ with _Masterpiece_Theatre_. In our eyes, the two are
mutually exclusive.
> to diminish its subject matter for the aesthetic concerns of a
> handful seems ludicrous.
Careful when you use the word handful. I'm not sure how long you've been
with the TML, but I'm going on 6 (or so) years, and the number of voices
I've seen disappear due to TNE is appalling. I'd hardly call it a 'handful'.
Also, how many of the current subscribers are active contributors? Maybe
there's a reason.
> The participation level of those who ditched wasn't that high anyways.
BZZZZZT!! Nice try. Thanks for playing.
Ask James about the old TML metrics. At one point (several years ago),
I was one of the 3 highest-volumn posters (# of lines and frequency) on
the entire TML. Metlay (God bless him), was also in that group, and he
fall dropped the TML altogether, rather than have to endure TNE. Nick
Sylvain was also a high volumn contributor, and the only thing I've seen
from him recently was his announcement of impending departure, also because
of TNE.
> If TML is not regulated/restricted from CT/MT posts, TML'ers will go
> right on posting such, to the loss of those who subscribe to the subject-
> limited list exclusively.
That's not really the point. We (the anti-TNE folks) want to not have to
wade through the low signal-to-noise ratio that TNE presents in the TML.
It a separate group, it ceases to be a problem for us, and those of you
that enjoy TNE (and creamed spinich and enemas and so on...) can stay
right here and do exactly what you've been doing all along.
> Seems like a rather lopsided issue to me.
Seems like a pretty selfish one to me. You'd rather keep us around, even
when we don't want to be here, rather than lose part of your audience?
This may cause many folks that dropped out to come back. The flip side
is many are leaving anyway, they just don't have anywhere else to go.
The separate mailing list would resolve that.
> I prefer the general Traveller theme. It's much simpler -- you read the
> messages you want to read. You keep the messages you want to keep.
... and plow through a ton of TNE garbage to get to them. No thanks.
> Plus, I love bigger crowds -- 500 is a pretty big crowd!
If crowds is your scene, try commuting in Manhatten.
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