Impy losses in the Frontier Wars

Alvin:

> Steve Higginbothan mantioned (in XBOAT 9) that '... at one time, the
> Impy's owned all the Zhodani worlds in the Spinward Marches.'

> HEY!  This is news to me!

> Since the Third Imp. took such a large chunk of the Solomani, I
> thought that they hardly ever loss a interstellar war.  When did they
> lose these worlds?  How?

	Let's see...using Supplement 11 (Library Data N-Z) and Spinward
Marches Campaign, it is possible to put together a fairly complete
picture of the movements of the Impy borders over the last 500-odd
years.  I won't bore you with ALL of that picture, just enough to annoy
you...:-)

	First Frontier War:  The Impy Frontier extended into Gvurrdon and
Foreven Sectors.  Not very far into each, but there were Impy worlds
near the Consulate's Official Border (note that Zhos colonized beyond
their own borders also, just like the Impies did) in both Sectors.
	During the 15 years of the War, the Impies were expelled from all
the worlds they held in those two Sectors.
	In addition the Zhos took over Zeycude, Reno, Errere, Cantrel,
Thengo, Gesentown, Chronor, and Atsa.  Note that some of these worlds
MAY have had Zho colonists, in addition to the Impy colonists, living
there before the war.
	In addition, the Imperium was forced to allow independence to Rio,
Whenge, Enlas-Du, Indo, Nerewhon, and Puparkin.
	In exchange, they took control of several dozen worlds in Chronor,
Querion, and Vilis subsectors.

	The Second Frontier War:  This time, the Impies lost only four
worlds to the Zhos:  Cipango, Chwistyoch, Riverland, and Clan.  The
Imperium was also forced to grant "several dozen" worlds in Chronor,
Querion, and Vilis subsectors their independence (basically, all the
ones they picked up at the end of the 1FW).

	Between wars:  The Zhos pick up Terra Nova, Asmodeus, and Sansibar,
all former Impy worlds granted "independence" by the Treaty ending the
2FW.

	The Third Frontier War:  A repeat of the 2FW.  The Imperium ceded
directly to the Zhos:  Resatt, Ao-Dai, Foelen, and Farreach.  In
addition the Zhos picked up Attica, Ninjar, Sheyou, Lebeau, Querion, and
Rap's World, all of which were granted "independence" at the end of the
2FW.
	In addition, in this war, the Sword Worlds picked up two Impy
worlds:  Margesi and Saurus.  They held these worlds until the Imperium
recovered them after the 4FW, about 100 years later.
	And, as usual, the Imperium was forced to grant independence to
another bunch of worlds in Vilis and Querion subsectors.

	The Fourth Frontier War:  The Zhos grab one (1) world, which had
been a member of the Imperium before the 3FW.  In addition, they force
the Imperium to grant independence to Algebaster, and force joint
tenancy of Esalin.
	At this time, the Imperium recovered Margesi and Saurus from the
Sword Worlds.

	The Fifth Frontier War:  For the first time, the Impies fight a war
with the Zhos, WITHOUT having to give up any worlds.  Unfortunatelly,
they didn't gain any worlds either, unless you count the dismembered
Sword Worlds.


> (WHAT? But...but...the Imperium _never_ loses........WHAAAAA!)

	Well, against the Zhos, they have an almost unblemished record of
losses.  They haven't EVER taken a world away from the Zhos.  But they
have finally figured out how to avoid losing more worlds to the Zhos,
anyway...;-)  That's something, isn't it? ;-)

Steve Bonneville:

> Before this topic gets too tangled, realize that there are some
> rules changes between CT/MT and TNE that can affect the tactics.

<discussion about effects of rules set on "the way things work in combat
in Trav deleted>

	Bravo!  I agree completely, and wish to associate myself 100% with
these remarks!  The Rules Set is of overwhelming importance in ANY
discussion of war, commerce, or much of anything else except PCs mucking
about...

				---Steve Higginbotham