Re: Traveller Nobility

A thread of 3 messages, 13 August 1991 to 14 August 1991, in the order they were sent.

#2760 Re: Traveller Nobility

[email removed] writes:
> Based on how the GDW/DGP Traveller universe works, Dominic, you blew it
> bigtime when you let two characters roll up random dukes and duchesses.

Now now... let's not be evil green meanies from the planet Zongo  :-)
Dominic's situation seems salvagable, and perhaps even advantageous
with a little bit of monkeying (of which I'm, notoriously in favor).

But first, a little background:

Bob Swarm's article in DGP's Digest #9 divides the nobility into
three classes: the honor, rank, and high nobility. Although well
written, I've always found this separation a tad cumbersome.
Effectively depowering the lesser nobility, it seemed to be
rationalizing a rules system which was either (a) inherently
flawed from the beginning or (b) meant to be played within an
environment of imagination often reserved only for high-fantasy.

Let's face it. It's not entirely out of the question that a
character should roll a natural 12 on Social Standing and then
add three points in service. If such a situation occurs, though
unusual, must it be the GM's responsibility to deny the "Ducal"
status in the name of party-balance?

> I find that if the players treat the
> nobles as they should, any noble over rank 12 utterly trashes game
> balance. Good luck!

Agreed, game balance is put in dire jeopardy, but there are three
generic alternatives.

(1) The Brash Young Princeling

If you can't stand the thought of granting estate, fleet, and taxes,
make the socially deviant character an offspring of the Duke, thus
allowing the title, a suitable pension, and lavish adventure
opportunities without all the mess of going overboard with
massive administrative responsibilities and unlimited resources.

(2) Oh heck... I hate Zhodani invasions!

Okay... so the character really is a Duke/Duchess, but suddenly their
Domain gets taken over by barbarian invaders with funny looking
noses. (suggested for the hack'n'slashers out there)

   Better learn to say "incognito" ten times fast....

(3) Double heck... Nothing like traitors to spoil the afternoon tea!

Well... maybe the barbarians with funny noses are busy playing golf.
If so, you can always count on a little internal strife. Are the
masses dissatisfied with Imperial rule? Maybe Coca-Farben and
SuSag want to stick the Duke's nephew into power. He was, afterall,
an economics major at the Imperial Academy of Science and Medicine.
Then again, maybe the Duke has left the administration of things to
his Ministry of Internal Affairs while he goes off to pursue some
extra-marital ones, preferably without public surveylance. Maybe the
grandadmiral of his fleets (coincidentally a neice of the Emperor) decided
to turn the Imperial Palace into a Naval Supply Depot. Hey... we can
have a little fun, can't we?


The bottom line here... and maybe it isn't the bottom line (I dunno)...
is that every new situation can bring on some pretty impressive
roleplaying opportunities. A lot will have to do with how the players
handle it. I've been a notorious nerd when put in positions of
supreme authority... but if you have the right combination of players,
nearly anything can work. So don't destroy it on GM-whim. Let things
unfold under the players' devices, and then see what opportunities
can be realized and what problems need fixing.


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#2770 Ducal Titles

[Appeared in traveller-request's mailbox by accident.  I edited the
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[email removed] (jim vassilakos) writes:

>
>Let's face it. It's not entirely out of the question that a
>character should roll a natural 12 on Social Standing and then
>add three points in service. If such a situation occurs, though
>unusual, must it be the GM's responsibility to deny the "Ducal"
>status in the name of party-balance?
>
>

An historical equivelent of this is the late British Lord Louis Montbatten.
 Montbatten was born fairly high in British nobility and spent his life in
service to his country.  In Traveller terms he probably started with a high
Social Standing (9, A or B anyway) and increased it during his life, but
any increase was manifested only in terms of reputation and recognition
rather than power.  In the end this was his downfall since it made him a
highly visable target (in his case of the IRA).

Chuck

Chuck Maddox    	       	       	       	       	[email removed]
Computer Technician     	       	       	       	[phone removed]
Illinois Mathematics and Science Academy

#2771 Re: Nobles

> [email removed] (jim vassilakos) writes:
>
> [email removed] writes:
> > Based on how the GDW/DGP Traveller universe works, Dominic, you blew it
> > bigtime when you let two characters roll up random dukes and duchesses.
>
I agree. A 'Travelling' imperial noble is really quite ridiculous (as
IMO is an ex-High Admiral or other high imperial official).

> Let's face it. It's not entirely out of the question that a
> character should roll a natural 12 on Social Standing and then
> add three points in service.

No indeed. It is actually quite likely that one will show up if
you play long enough.

>                               If such a situation occurs, though
> unusual, must it be the GM's responsibility to deny the "Ducal"
> status in the name of party-balance?

Yes! Yes! Yes! It is ALWAYS the responsibility of the GM to vet
the rules and veto anything that will upset the game (remind me
sometimes to tell you about the time I played classic Traveller
with a GM who played _by_the_book_!)

>
> > I find that if the players treat the
> > nobles as they should, any noble over rank 12 utterly trashes game
> > balance. Good luck!
>
> Agreed, game balance is put in dire jeopardy, but there are three
> generic alternatives.
>
The solution I've adopted is to ignore the MegaTraveller version of
nobles and stick to the classic Traveller interpretation. Vis: That
the ranks rolled up on the character generation tables are _local_
_planetary_ranks. I furthermore interpret noble rank in the conti-
nental manner (in which all the sons of a noble inherits the rank)
instead of the english. This makes nobles much easier to handle ;-)

      Hans Rancke
University of Copenhagen
     [email removed]