Re: Machinetools (introduction) (fwd)

A thread of 2 messages, 19 August 1991 to 20 August 1991, in the order they were sent.

#2792 Re: Machinetools (introduction) (fwd)

In your letter dated Mon, 19 Aug 91 13:45:19 MET DST, you wrote:
>
>   Well, here it is. Greg Porter mentioned that each average DV (ie DV/5.5)
> corresponds to 4/17 mm of armor quality steel, and I computed the table below
> from that.

> > ARMOR	DV		ARMOR	DV
> > 1	14		61	11197
> > 2	27		62	12225
> > 3	41		63	13360
> > 4	54		64	14550

I just checked BTRC's TimeLords game to see what kind of values they assign
to personal armor.  The best currently available personal armor runs about
AV40--which means that our basic 'cloth' armor ought to be a 2, military
cloth a 3, and a flak jacket a 1...using numbers like that would make things
a little more reasonable for the machine gunners, don't you think?

At those sorts of numbers, a TL10 combat environment suit might be worth
a 3 or a 4, a set of early combat armor worth a 5, and a set of TL15
battledress worth maybe 7 or 8.

Rob Dean

#2793 Re: Machinetools (introduction) (fwd)

> I just checked BTRC's TimeLords game to see what kind of values they assign
> to personal armor.  The best currently available personal armor runs about
> AV40--which means that our basic 'cloth' armor ought to be a 2, military
> cloth a 3, and a flak jacket a 1...using numbers like that would make things
> a little more reasonable for the machine gunners, don't you think?

  Well, either method should be ok, but I wouldn't use them togeather, because
I was forced to up the powder load in some pistol shells to reach the stated
minimum penetration (according to Vanilla MegaT). The trouble with changing the
armors is that it is hard to predict what armor value the various hitech ones
would get, since we don't have any 3A (Armors! Armors! Armors!) :)

  I think that the relation between the MegaT armors and the 'Machinetools'
guns are close to what I think is realism: All variants of the 9mm and heavier
revolvers will penetrate heavy cloathing (jack and mesh) but will be stopped
by a flak jacket (factor 3). AP rounds will penetrate a flak jacket but will
be stopped by cloth (factor 5) which I've always interpreted as roughly
equivalent to modern body armors with cheramic plates inlayed.

  The TL9 magnum will penetrate that with DS or APDS rounds, but I'm not aware
of *any* modern revolver or pistol round that use discarding sabots (but there
might be, since I havent read the Janes Infantry Weapons for a number of years:(

> At those sorts of numbers, a TL10 combat environment suit might be worth
> a 3 or a 4, a set of early combat armor worth a 5, and a set of TL15
> battledress worth maybe 7 or 8.

> Rob Dean

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