Tech Level advancements...

A thread of 2 messages, 9 January 1994 to 10 January 1994, in the order they were sent.

#6574 Tech Level advancements...

Hello there:

	 In the midst of sorting my thoughts out about the Computer Thingy, I have
come to a question that I have been skirting around for a while. In the case of
future Tech Level advancements on technology, how should I deal with the
miniaturization issue? For certain, we have seen advances in our lifetimes of
epic proportions in computer hardware and even common domestic equipment. I
Just received a Discman CD player for Christmas, that has even more features
than my previous CD player (Which was the size of your typical stereo
component) and is the size of two and a half CD cases stacked on top of one
another... Quite a reduction in size, and we haven't even advanced a Tech
Level!! ;->

	 So I have been thinking if maybe we should have a formula for this. One of
the more sensible formulae that I have come up with over christmas has been
this ...

                           Introduction Tech Level Attribute Value
Modified Attribute Value = ---------------------------------------------------
                               (Current Tech Level - Introduction Tech Level)
							 10

     This seems to work in one instance I can cite - the infamous TL 11 Hand
computer. It says that it has a volume of 0.2 litres. Cool. Now, taking into
account the modifications expressed in the Starship Computer Tables in the
Referee's Manual, we have a value of 200 kl at TL 5 (or 200,000 litres) and
a weight of 50 t at TL 5 (or 50,000 kg). Now, applying the formula, we come
up with:

              200,000 l      200,000 l
	  0.2 l = ---------   = -----------
				(11 - 5)          6
              10                10

               50,000 kg     50,000 kg
	 0.05 kg = ----------  = ----------
                 (11 - 5)          6
               10                10


     Now, there is a whoops there. The mass is supposed to be 0.5 kg, not 0.05.
However, this could be due to the resident battery pack, which is by far the
most heavy piece of the device. As for the pricing of the computer, I don't
have a contingency as of yet. Now, The rule seems pretty reasonable to me for
physical aspects of equipment, but I'd like to know what you all think of it.

	 This would yield advances in the size of Robot Brain components also. The
idea that Linear CPU's, for instance, do not change in size from one tech level
to another is simply ludicrous! The Linear CPU and Storage Module would have
the following stats at TL 11:

Type           Vol (litres)  Wt. (kg)  Price (Cr)  TL
- -----------------------------------------------------
Linear CPU       0.0002       0.0001    0.5        11
Storage          0.0005       0.0001    0.25       11


	 This, in keeping with the idea that the robot rules should meld with the
computer rules, makes it possible to construct a Hand Held Tl 11 Mod/1 computer
with the proper number of CPU modules and Storage modules. In fact, this brings
the question forward of what are the module requirements for each of the
models of computers. I haven't bothered with the idea of how much memory should
reside in a Storage module as of yet. The various real world/Traveller Computer
correspondences are necessary, and I will have to do some research on the
various "most advanced computers" of the times. Don't ask me about the Control
Points thing... 8-(

     I eventually want to be able to extend these rules to the handling of
hardware add-ons. I kinda like the idea of actual computer construction rules.
I'm working in that direction.

	 Anyone want to comment?

     Anthony

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#6583 re: Tech Level Advancements

	Anthony writes:
>...Quite a reduction in size, and we haven't even advanced a Tech level!!
	(talking about CD players in specific, and computer and electronic
technology in general)

	Well, to get picky, you CD player analogy is off a bit...if you
look inside a tabletop CD player, most of it is either empty space, or
power supply.  The actual electronics and mechanism are generally much
closer in size to your Discman.  Of course, Sony has made a long corporate
history of miniturizing things.

	However, some of the stuff can't go down.  Recall, for instance
your "Infamous"  model hand computer, that at Tl11 is 0.5 kg, vs 50,000
at Tl5. Much of the weight is in things that cannot be reduced, like
keyboards, and readable screens, or at least touchpad areas large enough
to be useable. This limit has already been reached in our day and age...we
can make computers that'll fit in a matchbook (AMD has a complete "XT on a
chip"- all you add is memory and a battery, and the various connectors)
The problem, as many companies have found when marketing them, is that
humans have not miniturized well enough to keep pace, our fingers are
still those comparatively pudgy things that get in each other's way when
typing on a small keyboard (or like mine...when typing on a normal
keyboard ;-).  So size will not continue to go down...I suspect that in
truth, size will hit a certain plateau, while function continues to go up.

	Besides, a 100 mg robot brain (a true peabrain!!) is pretty
ludicrous...the miniturization required there pushes stuff way beyond
physical limits.  At that complexity/size ratio, you can't use electrons;
they'll just tunnel around rather than stay in their appointed circuits.
Photons would have similar problems. And biology, well, biology does
pretty well at brains that size, but I'd be scared to let something with
the brainpower of a pigeon control anything!

	Maybe I hit upon the answer earlier...use something like a
complexity/size ratio rather than size alone.

	Of course if Cadillacs followed the same technology/pricing that
computers have, they'd cost about $0.05 apiece (in quantity, more on
carriers for suitable surface mounting :), and be 1/4" in size!

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