TNE:What Does the Future

A thread of 3 messages, 28 March 1994 to 1 April 1994, in the order they were sent.

#7105 TNE:What Does the Future

Subject: TNE:What Does the Future Hold?

  Path of Tears (an excellent RC sourcebook, in my opinion) gives
  us a look at some of the psychology that drives the Reformation
  Coalition, and a glimpse of the kind of interstellar state that
  they (and presumably the Hivers) want.  The information that we
  have on the Regency, though scantier, implies that the Regency
  will be fundamentally based on the old Third Imperium model, with
  some modifications.  I see a conflict of fundamental ideas
  coming.

  The 3I (Third Imperium) model was one in which planets were
  allowed to have whatever kind of government and social system
  they desired, subject to only loose constraints (no slavery, no
  nukes, honor extrality...).  Additionally, Imperial interference
  in internal matters (revolutions, coups, etc.) was (at least
  theoretically) nil.  The RC model appears to be strongly
  anti-theocracy and anti-despotism, and aiding one side or another
  in a local conflict appears not to be \mallum in se\.

  What will happen when these two states (the Regency and the RC)
  come into contact, as they inevitably will?

  One problem that the RC is experiencing, and will probably
  continue to experience for a long time to come, is the need for
  high technology, without having the technological and industrial
  base to meet those needs.  They will aid lower tech planets in
  "seeding" a technological/industrial base, but it is simply not
  possible to force-grow such a base beyond the current sustainable
  technology level - a thorough understanding of one level of
  technology and a strong industrial base built on that level are
  required before it is possible to build into the next technology
  level.  As planetary populations grow, and centers of learning
  and industry develop, the sustainable technology level will rise.
  The likely result of this is a RC with a high-tech center, with
  the tech level gradually tapering off proportional to distance
  from Aubaine.  This will lead to a situation much like we see on
  Terra today, with over-industrialized nations experiencing
  economic problems due to commodity manufacturing being done
  "offshore," and in those "offshore" planets, a great deal of
  exploitation of resources, including human resources, and a
  generally lower (possibly much lower) standard of living.
  Incorporation by the RC of active high-tech cultures will only
  minimally alleviate this problem, providing small local regions
  with higher standards of living.  However, these cultures, once
  admitted to the RC, will almost certainly have their economies
  and manufacturing bases distorted by a need to "feed" the central
  areas of the RC.  Assuming freedom of travel from one world to
  another, we're looking at the ghettoization of space, with all of
  its attendant problems (again, look at present-day Terra for
  examples of what can happen).

  The Regency will also have the same kind of high-tech center,
  because the center did not lose the technology in the first
  place.  However, the Regency will have access to the Jumpstart
  caches, which will allow a more even development of the
  technological and industrial base - or, the Regency can do
  nothing, and allow the reintegrated areas to develop on their
  own.  In either case, the Regency is likely to have less of a
  ghettoization problem, as they have no need to scavenge high
  technology, and their expansion is not driven by a need to import
  from an external market.  High tech centers will develop, but not
  in such a way that they will be driven to focus on serving the
  needs of an already extant high-tech area.

  Does the RC know that the Regency and the other Spinward states
  exist?  Do the Hivers?  Does the Regency know about the survival
  of the Hive Federation?  About the RC?

  At this point in time, we must assume that the answer to all of
  these questions is "no" and that both the Regency and the RC will
  develop in their own way, until they meet.  That meeting is
  likely to occur due to both states attempting to integrate or
  build forward bases on the same planet.  With such a fundamental
  difference in outlook, we can expect to see armed conflicts, as
  the Regency tries to prevent undue interference in the internal
  affairs of a client or member state, while the RC is trying to
  mold the state into what they feel is an "appropriate" shape for
  membership.  Add to this mixture the Guild, which will try to
  keep both interstellar states out of the picture, and I think
  we're going to see the (N+1)th Interstellar Wars/Pacification
  Wars/Wars of Integration/Coalition Wars/Regency Wars/Guild Wars.

  Comments?
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Jeff Zeitlin                                      [email removed]
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#7109 Traveller Background 3

Gentlesophonts:

[email removed] (Roger Sanger) asks:

> Who wants a discussion area on the Regency?

I do, for one - but why not just do it on TML?


[email removed] (Jeff Zeitlin) writes:

>   the psychology that drives the Reformation
>   Coalition, and a glimpse of the kind of interstellar state that
>   they (and presumably the Hivers) want.

What's the deal with the Hivers?  Where do they fit in with the RC?

>   The information that we
>   have on the Regency, though scantier, implies that the Regency
>   will be fundamentally based on the old Third Imperium model, with
>   some modifications.

Probably.  Hasn't it already been suggested that the Regency is somewhat more
`democratic' (whatever that means) than the Imperium?  But I would expect this
impression to be `altered' by a Regency sourcebook in a fashion similar to the
way the `star viking' impressions of the RC were altered by *Path of Tears*.

>   This will lead to a situation much like we see on
>   Terra today

I'm not so sure.  Remember that high technology is basically a Western cultural
tradition - other areas of Earth have different traditions that have not led
to the development of high technology.  Now, admittedly, some of this is
due to the advantage in ability to access and exploit resources that early
industrialization has given the West but nevertheless the West enjoys certain
cultural traditions that facilitate high technology.  Look at the efforts
to develop legal structures in the former Soviet states that reduce the risks
to investment necessary for high-tech endeavors.

(I'm not trying to suggest that Western culture is somehow `better' than other
cultures, merely that is is better suited to the practice of technology - that
`technology' is part of the Western cultural tradition.  Whether that is a
`good thing' or not remains to be seen.)

Such will not be the case in the worlds that are `integrated' into the RC.
All former Imperial worlds, to a certain extent, will enjoy a `technological'
cultural tradition.  They will not face many of the obstacles to technological
development faced by non-Western cultures on Earth.

>   we're looking at the ghettoization of space, with all of
>   its attendant problems (again, look at present-day Terra for
>   examples of what can happen).

Not necessarily.  Had TNE occurred several hundred years after the Rebellion
maybe the technological traditions of the Imperium would have been lost but
in just seventy years, or even 150 if it takes the RC that long to expand a
great deal, those traditions will still exist.  Look at the Renaissance of
Western Culture after the Dark Ages - much of what had been done in the
Classical Era was quickly reincorporated into the culture.

>   However, the Regency will have access to the Jumpstart
>   caches

Jumpstart caches?

>   we're going to see the (N+1)th Interstellar Wars/Pacification
>   Wars/Wars of Integration/Coalition Wars/Regency Wars/Guild Wars.

Of course we are.  :-)

David Johnson
Houston, Texas, USA

#7136 TNE:What Does the Future Hold?

[email removed] (Jeff Zeitlin) writes:
>   Does the RC know that the Regency and the other Spinward states
>   exist?  Do the Hivers?  Does the Regency know about the survival
>   of the Hive Federation?  About the RC?
>
>   At this point in time, we must assume that the answer to all of
>   these questions is "no" [...]

I'm not so sure about that.  Let's take a quick look at what each major
group knows about the rest of the universe:

o Does the RC know that the Regency and the other Spinward states exist?

No; they're not aware of the Regency (or rather, have almost certainly
assumed that all of known space looks more or less like the area around the
Reformation Coalition does).  They have no evidence or indication to assume
otherwise, so they're almost certainly working off of the premise that the
largest "opposition" that they are going to encounter is the Guild and/or
other Pocket Empires.  Given their Hiver technical assistance, the RC should
be a match for any pocket empire they encounter.

o Do the Hivers?

The Hivers probably have a clue.  They know the most about the former Third
Imperium - the "History Club" that toured the region during the end of the
Rebellion for example.  They are certainly aware that the Domain of Deneb
existed (relatively) untouched by the Rebellion.  They can assign a
probabiliy (and I'd guess a high one) to the chance that the Domain still
exists in some form.  Furthermore, since the Hivers managed to muddle
through the Virus without suffering complete collapse, either the Hivers
are so ethnocentric that they believe no other race could have done it, or
the hivers consider it probable that other races or regions could have
survived in a condition similar to the Hive Federation.

o Does the Regency know about the survival of the Hive Federation?

Because of the Regency's closed border policy, they probably know very
little about what the universe at large looks like.  However, they will have
to concede the possibility of other regions taking measures similar to the
ones that they have taken, and surviving with a similar situation.

Presumably, there is currently an ongoing debate in the Regency over the
probability of such other surviving areas, and whether it would be better to
expend some of the Regency's resources to attempt to contact other regions,
or remain behind the Regency's secure borders until other areas attempt to
contact the Regency.

o About the RC?

Not at all.  The Reformation Coalition is a pocket empire (perhaps even a
typical one, except that it is recieving Hiver technical assistance).
There's no way the Regency could know about it at this point.


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