Re: firearm calibres

"Mark F. Cook" [email removed] writes:
>
> Speaking of 7.62 rounds: while the 7.62 NATO rifle round is never fired as
> a pistol round (with the possible exception of a custom weapon), the Russian
> Tokarev pistol (the standard sidearm for Soviet officers, from 1930 until
> the end of WWII, when it was discarded in favor of the 9mm Makarov) DOES
> chamber a 7.62mm pistol round.  This round was adopted in 1930 for the Model
> TT-33 auto pistol.  This cartridge is very similar to the 7.63mm Mauser (also
> known as the 30 Mauser).

According to my book ("The Armory", a catalogue of firearms which is designed
mainly for use with role-playing games) the Tokarev round and the Mauser
round are the same.  The Czechs produce a round of the same dimensions, but
with more propellant.  They use it in a number of pistols and SMG's.  These
can also use the Mauser round, but lose some of their performance.  It is
unwise to use the Czech round in a gun intended for the Mauser round!

> One response you got already, was from Alvin M. Chan at
> [email removed], who writes:
>
> >some other pistol calibres besides the 'popular' .22 .38 .357 (same as .38
> >just a longer case length for more powder) 9mm .44 .45ACP  are for instance :
> >
> >.40   .41  .50  .454  .457  .32  .375 .25ACP  .177 (4.5mm)  .451 magnum
> >.380 ACP,auto  .22 short, .22 long rifle (LR) , 7.65 parabellum, 10mm
>
>	I can't find ANY references to a .451 magnum.  Only the 451 Detonics
> comes close and it, again, is a proprietary round.

The rounds of that general calibre that "The Armory" has heard of are:

Pistol: .44 magnum, .44 Automag, .455 Webley, .45 ACP, .45 Colt
(The Automag is a custom round.  You make one by taking a 7.62mm NATO
round, cutting off the neck, and putting in a .44 magnum bullet.  It has
occasionally been commercially produced, as has the gun.  The .45 Colt is
the Wild West one, the .45 ACP is the Colt Automatic one.)

Rifle: .44-40, .45 Martini, .45-70, .458 Winchester Magnum, .460 Weatherby
Magnum, .50-140 Sharps
(The .44-40 was used by the Winchester 1873.  The company is still around,
and their .458 Magnum round is for use against big animals.  So is the .460
Weatherby Magnum, the next best thing to an anti-tank rifle, and the most
powerful cartridge available outside the Army.)

>						    I assume the 7.65 para
> refers to the 32 (7.65mm) auto pistol round.

It probably refers to yet another round the same size as the Mauser .30.
This one was lower power, and pre-dates the Mauser.  It was used in the
Borchardt, the predecessor of the Luger, and also in the earliest Lugers.

Obligatory Traveller content:
Take note of all these different cartridge types, and note that a 9mm ACR
bought on one world may not accept ammo bought on another world!  Now you
know why many people use lasers.

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