Re: Mt Ranting
In reply to #2717 Mt Ranting by Hans Visser
I'm sure I won't be alone in responding to this message :-) >In (at least my version of the MT players's book) the cascade skill list, >rifleman includes auto rifle, but Combat Rifleman doesn't. It is in fact >very difficult to ever get Combat Rifleman, mysteriously mirroring the >situation in the original rules (where PCs didn't get assault rifle, guass >rifle, or ACR -- even in the Army/Marines). This is, in my opinion, asinine. A while ago, I wrote a program to read the skill tables (in the format given in the player's handbook) and produce some code that allowed skill lookups including all of the "serves as" and "includes" stuff (while keeping the skills separate of course). I doing this I had to enter the skill table and while doing so I made a few corrections --- the biggest of which was to make combat rifleman include the rifleman skill. There were some other typing errors present and some skills that were referenced but not defined, the usual stuff that escaped proof-reading. I've included my table at the end of this message, I hope it is of some use. [ For the purist, the original list was printed using Helvetica (italic?) at some unremember point size. ] The programs are available if anybody really wants them, but the main parser is written in Simula (which I doubt most people have). The skill lookup program is in C and should be portable. >OK, OK, sorry if I offended, but I always liked Traveller (2-D Universe and >all), and I was enthusiastic when MT was being first advertised, but I think >when I really get down to it, my opinion of it is roughly that of most people's >opinion of Fighting Ships of the Shattered Imperium. I have always considered >writing my own Traveller rules (with varying levels of success), but I think >that if I was going to play, I'd rather use the Basic/Striker rules. If only >someone would simply extrapolate those for starships, I think it'd be a far >superior system. Even Twilight2000-II is better (though the initiative rules >sucked big time). I guess I just wanted to vent my frustration somewhere. >Or more importantly, an I alone in this? I doubt I am, but I dunno... You are not the only person dissatisfied with the current rules back last December (November? October?) several different groups were formed in an attempt to reform the traveller rules without damaging the 'universe' too much. It sort of died a silent death, I know that some work is being done (very intermitantly). Maybe it is time for a re-creation of the TDR working groups. Given the way things seem to work they won't stay around very long, but some more progress might be made. Pauli Big list of skills follows. - - --------------------------8<----------------------------- Academic (Cascade) Admin History Linguistics Persuasion Science +1 Education Admin Advanced Combat Rifle (Weapon) Aircraft (Cascade) Helicopter Jet-propelled Aircraft Lighter-than-air Craft Propeller-driven Aircraft Animal Handling (Cascade) Guard/Hunting Beasts Equestrian Herding Archaic Weapons (Cascade) Blowgun Bola Boomerang Bow Crossbow Early Firearms Sling Artisan Assault Rifle (Weapon) ATV (Includes) Wheeled Vehicle Tracked Vehicle Autocannon (Weapon) Auto Rifle (Weapon) Axe (Includes) Battle Axe Hand Axe Battle Axe (Weapon) Battle Dress (Includes) Vacc Suit Bayonet (Weapon) Biology (Serves as) Genetics-1 Blade (Weapon) Blade Combat (Cascade) Axe Cudgel Foil Large Blade Polearm Small Blade Blowgun (Weapon) Body Pistol (Weapon) Bola (Weapon) Boomerang (Weapon) Bow (Weapon) Brawling Bribery Broadsword (Weapon) Broker Carbine (Weapon) Carousing (Serves as) Steward-1 Chemistry Combat Engineering Combat Rifleman (Includes) Advanced Combat Rifle Assault Rifle Auto Rifle Carbine Gauss Rifle rifle Rifleman Shotgun Communications Computer (Serves as) Robot Ops-1 Crossbow (Weapon) Cudgel (Weapon) Cutlass (Weapon) Dagger (Weapon) Demolitions Disguise Early Firearms (Weapon) Economic (Includes) Admin Broker Legal Trader Electronics Energy Weapons (Includes) Fusion Gun Plasma Gun Engineering Environ (Cascade) Animal Handling Archaic Weapons Hunting Recon Stealth Survival Equestrian Exploratory (Cascade) Pilot Sensor Ops Survey Survival Vacc Suit Vehicle FA Gunnery (Cascade) High-energy Weapons Mass Drivers Meson Guns Mortars and Howitzers Fleet Tactics Foil (Weapon) Forensic Forgery Forward Observer Fusion Gun (Weapon) Gambling Gauss Rifle (Weapon) Genetics Grav Belt Grav Vehicle (Serves as) Grav Belt-1 Gravitics Grenade Launcher (Weapon) Guard/Hunting Beasts Gun Combat (Cascade) Energy Weapons Handgun Laser Weapons Neural Weapons Rifleman Submachinegun Gunnery (Cascade) Screens Spinal Weapons Turret Weapons Halberd (Weapon) Hand Axe (Weapon) Hand Combat (Cascade) Blade Combat Brawling +1 Endurance +1 Strength Handgun (Includes) Body Pistol Pistol Revolver Snub Pistol Heavy Weapons (Includes) Autocannon Grenade Launcher Light Assault Gun Machine Gun VRF Gauss Gun Helicopter (Serves as) Lighter-than-air Craft-1 Jet-propelled Aircraft-1 Propeller-driven Aircraft-1 Herding High-energy Weapons (Serves as) Mass Drivers-1 Meson Guns-1 Mortars and Howitzers-1 High-G Environ (Serves as) Laser Weapons0 Laser Pistol0 Laser Rifle0 Energy Weapons0 Fusion Gun0 Plasma Gun0 History Hovercraft (Serves as) Large Watercraft-1 Small Watercraft-1 Hunting Inborn (Cascade) Artisan Carousing Instruction Jack-of-alI-Trades Leader Instruction Interpersonal (Cascade) Admin Interview Liaison Linguistics Steward Interrogation Interview (Serves as) Interrogation-1 Intrusion Jack-of-aII-trades Jet-propelled Aircraft (Serves as) Helicopter-1 Lighter-than-air Craft-1 Propeller-driven Aircraft-1 Large Blade (Includes) Broadsword Cutlass Sword Large Watercraft (Serves as) Hovercraft-1 Small Watercraft-1 Laser Pistol (Weapon) Laser Rifle (Weapon) Laser Weapons (Includes) Laser Pistol Laser Rifle Leader Legal (Serves as) Admin-1 Liaison (Serves as) Admin-1 Streetwise-1 Light Assault Gun (Weapon) Lighter-than-air Craft (Serves as) Helicopter-1 Jet-propelled Aircraft-1 Propeller-driven Aircraft-1 Linguistics Machine Gun (Weapon) Mass Drivers (Serves as) High-energy Weapons-1 Meson Guns-1 Mortars and Howitzers-1 Mechanical Medical Mental (Cascade) +1 Intelligence +1 Education Meson Guns (Serves as) High-energy Weapons-1 Mass Drivers-1 Mortars and Howitzers-1 Mortars and Howitzers (Serves as) High-energy Weapons-1 Mass Drivers-1 Meson Guns-1 Naval Architect Navigation (Serves as) Sensor Ops-1 Neural Pistol (Weapon) Neural Rifle (Weapon) Neural Weapons (Includes) Neural Pistol Neural Rifle Persuasion Physical (Cascade) +1 Dexterity +1 Endurance +1 Strength Physics Pike (Weapon) Pilot (Serves as) Ship's Boat-1 Pistol (Weapon) Plasma Gun (Weapon) Polearm (Includes) Bayonet Halberd Pike Spear Propeller-driven Aircraft (Serves as) Helicopter-1 Jet-propelled Aircraft-1 Lighter-than-air Craft-1 Prospecting Recon (Serves as) Sensor Ops1 Recruiting Revolver (Weapon) rifle (Weapon) Rifleman (Includes) Auto Rifle Carbine Shotgun rifle Robot Ops Robotics (Serves as) Robot Ops Computer-1 Science (Cascade) Biology Chemistry Genetics Forensic Medical Physics Robotics Sensor Ops Screens Ship Tactics Ship's Boat Shotgun (Weapon) Sling (Weapon) Small Blade (Includes) Blade Dagger Small Watercraft (Serves as) Hovercraft-1 Large Watercraft-1 Snub Pistol (Weapon) Space (Cascade) Engineering Navigation Pilot Sensor Ops Ship's Boat Vacc Suit Space Combat (Cascade) Gunnery Sensor Ops Ship Tactics Tactics Space Tech (Cascade) Communications (Commo) Computer Engineering Gravitics Vacc Suit Spear (Weapon) Special Combat (Cascade) Battle Dress Combat Engineering Combat Rifleman Demolition FA Gunnery Forward Observer Grav Belt Heavy Weapons High-energy Weapons High-G Environ Stealth Zero-G Environ Spinal Weapons Stealth Steward Streetwise Submachinegun (Weapon) Survey (Serves as) Sensor Ops-1 Survival Sword (Weapon) Tactics (Serves as) Ship Tactics-1 Technical (Cascade) Communications (Commo) Computer Electronics Gravitics Robot Ops Sensor Ops Trader Tracked Vehicle (Serves as) Wheeled Vehicle-1 Turret Weapons Vacc Suit Vehicle (Cascade) Grav Vehicle Helicopter Hovercraft Jet-propelled Aircraft Large Water Craft Lighter-than-air Craft Propeller-driven Aircraft Ship's Boat Small Water Craft Tracked Vehicle Wheeled Vehicle Vice (Cascade) Bribery Disguise Forgery Gambling Intrusion Streetwise VRF Gauss Gun (Weapon) Wheeled Vehicle (Serves as) Tracked Vehicle-1 Zero-G Environ - - --------------------------8<-----------------------------