what's a Star Wars blaster in Trav?

A thread of 4 messages, 23 March 1993 to 30 March 1993, in the order they were sent.

#5340 what's a Star Wars blaster in Trav?

What's the Traveller equivalent of a Star Wars Blaster?  Is there one?
(Has this question been booted around before? - I couldn't find it in
TOC.1 or TOC.2 on sunbane.  Is there a TOC.3?)

Is a Blaster just a pulse laser?  Or is it more like a plasma/fusion
gun (pgmp / fgmp)?  If so, I don't think such a thing exists in
Traveller below TL16.  At TL16, there was mention of a Plasma Rifle.
Would this be the same thing as a blaster rifle?

Do people consider the Star Wars universe to be incompatible with
the Traveller universe (the Force not withstanding)?  I know they
have 'hyperspace' and we have 'jumpspace', but are they so different?

If not, what would one consider the TL of the Star Wars Empire / Rebellion
to be?  TL16?  17?  18?  I don't think they can transmit matter yet, so
there is a limit on what they can do.  I don't know if their power
sources have been discussed all that much in the movies/books on Star
Wars... Anyone got a clue as to whether it is fusion or anti-matter
based?  I'd guess fusion.

- -steve camp
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#5348 Re: Star Wars in Trav

[email removed] (Stephen Camp) writes:
>
> What's the Traveller equivalent of a Star Wars Blaster?  Is there one?
> ...
> Is a Blaster just a pulse laser?  Or is it more like a plasma/fusion
> gun (pgmp / fgmp)?

It fires a bolt which glows, which explodes when it hits something, and which
you can see moving.  I'd guess that makes it a plasma weapon of some sort.  I
believe a plasma pistol was described in some Traveller publication, but I can
not remember where.

A primitive laser with a back-pack power supply was described in one of Brian
Daley's books about Han Solo, if I remember correctly. ;-)

> Do people consider the Star Wars universe to be incompatible with
> the Traveller universe (the Force not withstanding)?  I know they
> have 'hyperspace' and we have 'jumpspace', but are they so different?

Try building an X-wing using MT rules, complete with hyperspace/jump drives,
and 4 lasers plus a power plant which can drive them and its manouevre drive
at the same time.  Don't forget the deflector shields and the proton torpedoes.
When you've done that, try to figure out to the nearest millisecond how long a
Star Destroyer would last against something with a meson gun, factor T. ;-)

>					I don't know if their power
> sources have been discussed all that much in the movies/books on Star
> Wars... Anyone got a clue as to whether it is fusion or anti-matter
> based?  I'd guess fusion.

That's my guess as well, judging by the Star Wars RPG.

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#5361 Re: Star Wars in Trav

Adrian Hurt [email removed] writes:

> [email removed] (Stephen Camp) writes:
> >
> > What's the Traveller equivalent of a Star Wars Blaster?  Is there one?
> > ...
> > Is a Blaster just a pulse laser?  Or is it more like a plasma/fusion
> > gun (pgmp / fgmp)?
>
> It fires a bolt which glows, which explodes when it hits something, and which
> you can see moving. I'd guess that makes it a plasma weapon of some sort.

Recreating Star Wars using Traveller is a matter of making a number of
decisions regarding translation.  My inclination would be to treat the
Star Wars blaster as a laser pistol, and the Force as straight psionics.
It's the light saber that is hard to translate, since I can't come up
with a good explanation for it that doesn't involve force field tech
that Traveller doesn't have.

> > Do people consider the Star Wars universe to be incompatible with
> > the Traveller universe (the Force not withstanding)?  I know they
> > have 'hyperspace' and we have 'jumpspace', but are they so different?
>
> Try building an X-wing using MT rules, complete with hyperspace/jump drives,
> and 4 lasers plus a power plant which can drive them and its manouevre drive
> at the same time.  Don't forget the deflector shields and the proton
> torpedoes....

If you really want me to, I will, (-:, but I was under the impression that
fighters didn't have hyperspace drives.  In any case, you could either do it
as a 100 ton fighter, or adopt 2-G Scott's suggestion that you permit the
minimum sized jump drive to be installed in any hull, limited only by
volume.  Call the deflector shield a sandcaster, and the proton torpedo
a nuclear missile, and you're all set. (-:  But seriously, as I said above,
most of the action in Star Wars could be replayed in Traveller with only a
few minor modifications to the technology as depicted in the movies.  I don't
think that anything really critical to the plot hinges on the mechanics of
Star Wars universe, unlike something like Dune, say, where the use of the
Guild Navigators and personal shields are both important to the plot and
not terribly adaptable to Traveller.

Rob Dean

#5365 Re: Star Wars in Trav

Robert S. Dean  [email removed] writes:
> Adrian Hurt [email removed] writes:
> > [email removed] (Stephen Camp) writes:
> > > What's the Traveller equivalent of a Star Wars Blaster?
> > > ...
> >
> > It fires a bolt which glows, which explodes when it hits something, and
> > which you can see moving. I'd guess that makes it a plasma weapon of some
> > sort.
>
> Recreating Star Wars using Traveller is a matter of making a number of
> decisions regarding translation.  My inclination would be to treat the
> Star Wars blaster as a laser pistol, and the Force as straight psionics.

I'd agree about the Force/psionics - in fact, didn't one of the old Traveller
supplements have a UPP and description for Darth Vader?  Maybe you could put
the visible, exploding bolts which move as you watch them down to artistic
license or Hollywood ignorance. :-)

> It's the light saber that is hard to translate, since I can't come up
> with a good explanation for it that doesn't involve force field tech
> that Traveller doesn't have.

Once you've got proper deflector shields, my guess is that a light sabre is
just a high power laser plus a deflector shield to restrict the beam.  Of
course, someone is going to have to make some major advances in power
technology in order to have a laser that powerful with a power cell that is
held in the hand, rather than worn on the back.

> > Try building an X-wing using MT rules, complete with hyperspace/jump drives,
> > and 4 lasers plus a power plant which can drive them and its manouevre drive
> > at the same time.  Don't forget the deflector shields and the proton
> > torpedoes....
>
> If you really want me to, I will, (-:, but I was under the impression that
> fighters didn't have hyperspace drives.

Guess who hasn't seen "Return of the Jedi"? ;-)  Imperial fighters don't have
hyperspace drives, but Rebel fighters do.

>					  In any case, you could either do it
> as a 100 ton fighter, or adopt 2-G Scott's suggestion that you permit the
> minimum sized jump drive to be installed in any hull, limited only by
> volume.

The former option would make for a very large X-wing.  In Star Wars, "fighters"
means fighters, at most the size of present day fighters.  A 100 ton ship is
about the size of a decent airliner.

>	  Call the deflector shield a sandcaster, and the proton torpedo
> a nuclear missile, and you're all set. (-:

There are two problems with sandcasters.  (A) When an X-wing switches its
deflectors to the rear, you don't tend to see a big cloud of dust behind
it.  (You tend to see a big cloud of dust *instead* of it if the reason for
putting your deflector there is Darth Vader's TIE fighter. :-)  (B) Sand
does not stay with you when you turn, which makes it useless for fighters
which engage in the dogfighting seen in "Star Wars".

>								I don't
> think that anything really critical to the plot hinges on the mechanics of
> Star Wars universe, unlike something like Dune, say, where the use of the
> Guild Navigators and personal shields are both important to the plot and
> not terribly adaptable to Traveller.

Nothing especially critical to the plot, apart from light-sabres, dogfighting
fighters and weapons which can destroy entire planets with one shot. ;-)

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